Tulpa.info - tulpa-research

[I mean. I could even accept it if it was specifically aimed at hosts. But the implicit assumptions that host is the entire system and the questions that are aimed at "you" which somehow is "host" but then asks relevant stuff for the entire system really annoys me.]

Well, you can always release your own survey as tulpa.info staff...

I'm heavily considering it, but we don't have any Reddit accounts. Someone else can post it for me, probably.

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Of course, it might look bad as it comes off as a knee-jerk reaction. I'll discuss it among the other mods.

In my opinion it's nothing wrong with aiming question at host. It might be less confusing to read for people outside community.

People outside the community read the results, not the survey.

[I don't mind questions specifically aimed at the host. I just really mind the conflation of body/host going on and how it makes the questions confusing.]

It's quite awkward for those who don't have a host around anymore

It's almost like there's a strong argument that the body is not dualistic.

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I need to read the server.

2:25 PM

Survey*

Our community is quite complex... Most of us have companions that we can't prove different from imaginary friends showing illusion of independent agency. And some of us have companions who have become our alternate identities. Some of us even dissolve original identity... Sometimes I doubt if we all experience the same phenomenon.

I coincidentally have a discussion group for survey writing.

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But, no one uses it.

Yea luna you're probably right

@Tulpabug I don't believe the survey had anything to do with /r/tulpas mods, but I don't think the previous ones had much if any to do with them either. Shinyuu wasn't a mod until recently.

OMG this census is horribly incomplete. Host Community Census 2018™

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it asked about vague tulpa stuff and focused on general system stuff, I think

6:02 PM

so it like kinda ignored number of tulpas in favor of counting every system as 1 statistic

I'm sure there was a question about number of identities in system

maybe..

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ONE question asked how old the youngest tulpa was instead of just the oldest

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and there were some sexuality ones that let you put higher numbers than just 1 tulpa

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and there was one that asked how many were in the system

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and I think that's it

I think there are some very fair points being made, tbh

[ I'm in touch with the cencus authors so circle your concerns to me if you want to see them addressed ]

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[ @bduddy #Diana# '15 and '16 were made in close contact with meten fwiw ]

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[ and I personally invested shitload of time into both ]

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/8s8ia6/research_poll_answers_needed_interpersonal/ I'm running a new survey and I need your help; please!

r/Tulpas - [research poll, answers needed] Interpersonal Reactivit...

1 votes and 1 so far on reddit

also; the results of the "best guide" are in: https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/8salxc/scepticism_vs_faith_the_analysis_of_tulpa_guides/

r/Tulpas - Scepticism vs. Faith: the analysis of tulpa guides and ...

1 votes and 0 so far on reddit

Those results are sad

It's a conflation.

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Only one of those guides spends any real time looking over scientific detection of tulpas.

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And even then, suspension of disbelief in one frame does not imply lack of science in another frame.

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Otherwise, there'd be no science about fiction media, because it's watched with suspension of disbelief.

Damn my guide wasn’t even on the ballot.

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;_;

is sad :(

3:37 AM

The funny thing is, I know a guy who used to reccomend Methos' guide to anyone who'd listen, but after we reviewed it together, seriously regretted it.

3:37 AM

Might have tilted the numbers a bunch.

It's funny I don't even remember what I've put in my guide but I'm pretty sure my views are vastly different from what it was when I first started

Oh,

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Irish lives.

4:16 AM

Yours is the last guide I haven't read.

@Tulpabug not to mention that other server where someone brought it up and everyone ripped it to shreds

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~~I really liked that guide before I started though~~

@Ria 🌸 I feel you on that one.

@Sete the issues with physicalism and tulpas come down to "what is a tulpa" in a physicalist framework.

5:56 PM

I'm mostly trynna give a brief rundown of my answer to that from the foundation up

[Yeah idk. What's your version of consciousness for this to be a problem. Because I just keep getting back to "it's another set of neurons"/"them firing in different ways" as an answer.]

Excuse me. Could you possibly not discuss this in the research channel?

Anybody know how ECT affect tulpa?

I would imagine the same way it affects anyone. You share the same brain, after all.

ECT can erase short term memory and bring down the complexity of thoughts, making one’s mind feel blank and calm. I imagine it would probably block off communication for a while.

give me $1,000 and i'll be someone's guinea pig for seeing how ECT effects tulpas

12:02 AM

of course, i'm not gonna be the one paying for the test

It'd be hard to get clearance for ECT. It's quite a strictly controlled procedure.

1:51 AM

holy fuck Anne getting dark to the right

Yeah, ECT has been debated. People are only really referred to it if they’ve tried and failed with all other methods and if their depression is life threatening. For those people, ECT is effective most of the time. It does have to be applied repeatedly and there can be big memory loss issues.

How is

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the unconscious defined

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in tulpamancy?

Depends on the person

Why should it be redefined for tulpamancy?

Then how is it defined regularly?

Naturally, people define it differently - that said, to my understanding, the "unconscious mind" is essentially everything the brain does outside of conscious awareness.

Including, but not limited to, sensory processing, hormonal undercurrents, memory encoding/retrieval, and muscle memory.

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Someone who knows a more correct definition can certainly correct me, of course.

That sounds right

3:31 PM

Snap judgements usually come from the unconscious unless you go out of your way to see them consciously

The English Oxford Dictionary defines "the unconscious" as "The part of the mind which is inaccessible to the conscious mind but which affects behaviour and emotions." It is difficult to say what types of unconscious behaviour may be willed away through conscious thought. Nevertheless, the unconscious should not be mystified.

What does mystified even mean?

Made into something mysterious

What does mystified mean in this context?

You shouldn't make the subconscious mysterious when it isn't

11:12 PM

I don't agree that the unconscious is not mysterious, but that's the message that seems to be projected

Is this something people do, or is it just a rumour?

Plenty of people make subconscious/unconscious functions sound mysterious

11:13 PM

I.e. the entire "servitor" community

Or when they make it sound like the subconscious is alive or has a mind of its own

Is your hand alive?

or even that "the subconscious" is a specific thing

Instead of "what happens in the subconscious?", a question that rephrases the idea in a literal sense but doesn't continue to imply that anything can happen if it can be imagined, would be "what do we do outside of our awareness?", putting the emphasis on what we do rather than what is apparently.... Contained in some ethereal space that is misunderstood frequently.

Sounds like free will versus determinism.

12:58 AM

Can you do anything subconsciously.

I think there might be some value in defining hardwired from trained from conscious (edited)

We do a lot of things unconsciously

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Breathing, is a good example since you can take conscious control of it

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Heart beat is another

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I would say reflexes are, but that happens at the spinal cord, so I'm not sure if you would count it

A research channel, huh?

Yes.

What is research when the universe is and ink-blot test?

please say something comprehensible

Observation and documentation from your side of the inkblot.

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-results-of-the-head-pressure-in-relation-to-tulpamancy-survey

Results of the Head Pressure in Relation to Tulpamancy Survey

This is a bit overdue, but here it is! Some of you may remember a survey on head pressure I conducted awhile back. The survey's aim was to find correlations between tulpa creation and head pressure, l

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and here people have been saying we can't do real science

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wha'dya call this!